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fyi - Auburn and Alabama will both oppose this because they stand to lose the most.  The majority of PACT contract holders attend these two colleges.  In addition, Auburn and Alabama turn qualified students away each year, so they will not be happy about this loss of income.  'Thus the statement in the bill to make sure PACT recipients are not discriminated against.'  On the other hand, these institutions have benefited from PACT recipients more than other institutions for a number of years.

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Mary, you make some very good points...I would strongly reccommend that you and others, as I did, call the persons listed on the University Legislative Update and ask them the same questions. They are strongly against SB581 in any form that contains any tuition freezes for any period of time. I personally feel the tuition freezes to help PACT get back on its feet should be voluntarily agreed to by AU and U of A, because of the reasons you mentioned above, but they didn't seem to see it that way when Patti and I both spoke with them looking for a compromise.

Power is in numbers....call um and tell um your story!

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

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I can not open the Admendment to HB 531as "something weird has happened to my JAWs" framework.  "Gadget" is not enabled.   Can anyone help!

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Dave Wilcox,

Try the link on the front home page now, it should work fine.

The document can also be found under our DOCUMENTS tab.

Check it out!

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

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Mary said, "what confused me was that UA got $3200 from PACT when he took 13 hours the first semester and $3200 when he took 15 hours the second semester. "

It was confusing to me for a while, too.  But, 12-17 hours was $3,200.00 for 2008-09.   2009-10 will probably be determined in June or July.  It was around that time last year.  My middle daughter's summer tuition (only the tuition portion) is $2368.00 for 8 hours, and another $220 in fees and required meals which PACT doesn't cover! This also doesn't include a room.

Also, from the website:  "University of Alabama requires first year students to participate in the Freshman Year Experience Meal Plans."
"First Year Meal Plans
Bama Unlimited - $1602 per semester*
Unlimited meals; please note that this does not include the required $300 Dining Dollars.
Bama Gold - $1440 per semester*
220 meals per semester; please note that this does not include the required $300 Dining Dollars.
Bama Silver - $1165 per semester*
160 meals per semester; please note that this does not include the required $300 Dining Dollars."

I don't think a lot of people are aware of the costs involved in attending (even in addition to PACT).  It can be really tough on the students and the parents.  Dorms are $4400 to $7900 per year, and sometimes, choices are not available.

A problem some students have with attending 2-year schools, is that certain majors are not "taught" at the nearest 2-year schools.  My oldest daughter transferred from a 2-year school, and she received a letter shortly after she transferred that they were no longer teaching her major there.  One of the girls in her incoming transfer class at Alabama had taken all her core classes at a 2-year in Montgomery, and was told at orientation (same major) that she now had 4 more years to go since their major classes were set as 8 consecutive semesters (fall and spring), and the major wasn't taught at the 2-year college!

Without PACT it will be difficult, if not impossible, since I will have 3 there at the same time beginning this fall.  That was a major reason for us to purchase the PACT.  It allowed us to spread out the tuition so we could concentrate on helping (with their help, also) to pay for the rooms, food, etc.  Now, this is throwing a curve into a plan that had been designed since the early 90's when we bought their PACTs.  Pay tuition? or, pay other expenses?  NOT BOTH! Then, multiply by 3 students at the same time!

I am hoping there will be a solution before this fall, or there will be some major problems and even more major lawsuits! 

I just can't understand why all the minds can't come up with a solution that is reasonable for everybody.

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The ammended SB581 is getting close.  Ammend it once more, and remove any mixing of the PACT with the 529 Plan and eliminate the breaks for students living out of State.  The bill can not allow re-wording of any contracts.  Allowing the PACT children a college education will likely result in addtional future taxation revenues for the State. Its win win.

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The drift I am getting is that AU and UofA are still opposing the bill vigorously. I reccommend each of you call the numbers on the University Legislative Update page above and request that each university consider offering voluntarily to hold tuition costs steady for the PACT contracts only (a minor part of overall tuition income) until 2012, therefore SB581 amended can remove the wording and simplify the bill.

Also call each of your state legislator's offices and leave them the message that we want the PACT issue solved this session...it ends for the year on May 18th...time is running out.

Clicking on our About PACT link from the website here will give you all your legislator's numbers to call.

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

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Auburn shouldn't have any problem with tuition freezes for PACT members. My daughter's tuition is already frozen. When they had their last tuition increase they froze the tuition at the current rate for students already attending. Plus they get a great deal when they don't allow the students in the classes they need for graduation and so they end up taking random classes they don't need (and paid by PACT) just so they can be considered full-time. That has happened to my daughter all but two semesters. In the fall they were only going to allow her THREE hours that she needed and the dept. head finally agreed to let her in two more classes but she still had to take an unneeded class to be full-time. It's important for her to be a full-time student so she can remain under our insurance for several medical issues. Because of the unavailability of classes she will be at Auburn two extra semesters. So there should be many PACT participants who already have their tuition froze.

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Whats new anyone?

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I wrote my representative again (Jim McClendon). Nice guy and he felt something would be done.  I wanted to make sure he knew there was a difference between the State sponsored PACT and the State sponsored 529 plan.   Also I compared the PACT contract to a purchase and payment agreement as an analogy.  If someone bought a car would if be OK not to pay if the stock market went down?

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I wrote my representative again (Jim McClendon). Nice guy and he felt something would be done.  I wanted to make sure he knew there was a difference between the State sponsored PACT and the State sponsored 529 plan.   Also I compared the PACT contract to a purchase and payment agreement as an analogy.  If someone bought a car would if be OK not to pay if the stock market went down?

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No word today. Appears Paul Hubbert of AEA may be opposed to the bill.

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

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I am wondering what is going on in Montgomery, if anything.  Are we going to have the rug pulled out from under us?  I am beginning to feel a deep anger.  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid they are going to let us down.  I intend to write them ALL and send a copy to the Huntsville Times Letters to the Editor.  I feel like we should all scream bloody murder.  These people need to be reminded in no uncertain terms that WE VOTE!

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FYI From ALISON

IN THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF
ALABAMA
REGULAR SESSION 2009
SENATE CALENDAR NO. 21
TWENTY-THIRD LEGISLATIVE DAY
04/23/2009
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REGULAR CALENDAR
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By Senators Bedford and Holley (With Substitute):
SB581 Relating to the Alabama Prepaid Affordable College Tuition (PACT) Program; to amend Sections 16-33C-1, 16-33C-2.1, 16-33C-3, 16-33C-4, 16-33C-5, 16-33C-6, 16-33C-7, 16-33C-8, 16-33C-9, 16-33C-10, and 16-33C-13, Code of Alabama 1975, and to add Sections 16-33C-5.1 and 16-33C-6.1 to the Code of Alabama 1975, to transfer the administration of the PACT Program, including existing rights, contracts, and obligations, from the State Treasurer to the Teachers' Retirement System of Alabama; to suspend new enrollments in the program indefinitely and to ratify and confirm actions taken pursuant to the current suspension; to define the term tuition and qualified fees and specify the duties of the Board of Control regarding tuition and qualified fees; to authorize the State Treasurer for the ACES Trust
Fund and the Board of Control for the PACT Trust Fund to solicit and accept funds for the PACT Program from the State of Alabama, the Legislature, and any other available source of funds, public or private; to require the Governor include in the budget, and the Legislature to annually appropriate necessary funds, from any available funding source, to ensure that the PACT Program meets its obligations and maintains actuarial soundness for the life of the program; to provide upon dissolution that remaining funds be used to repay funding sources for advances to the program, rather than to the Alabama Commission on Higher Education for the establishment of a scholarship program; to provide upon dissolution of the ACES Program that remaining funds be deposited into the ACES Opportunity Enhancement Fund,
in lieu of being treated as abandoned property; to require each eligible educational institution to accept the total tuition and qualified fees paid for PACT beneficiaries as payment in full; to prohibit discriminatory practices by institutions; and to provide for implementation and monitoring by the Alabama Commission on Higher Education, upon the advice of the Board of Control.
Finance and Taxation General Fund
Number of amendments: 0
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FISCAL NOTE
Senate Bill 581 as introduced:
(1) immediately transfers from the State Treasurer to the Teachers Retirement System (TRS) Board of Control all matters of any nature whatsoever pertaining to the administration of the Alabama Prepaid Affordable College Tuition (PACT) Program;
(2) provides that the Board of Control may, in addition to all other powers previously granted to the PACT Board, adjust the terms of existing PACT contracts in order to preserve the actuarial soundness of the PACT
Trust Fund;
(3) indefinitely suspends new enrollments in the PACT Program;
(4) requires, for the life of the PACT program, an annual appropriation from any source of funds to be requested by the Governor and made by the Legislature in amount that is certified by the TRS Board of Control to be actuarially necessary, with such appropriations to be repaid by excess PACT Program operating revenue;
(5) requires, from now until the end of the 2012 Fall Term, eligible institutions to accept as payment in full the amount of tuition and qualified fees paid by the PACT Program for the 2009 Spring Term, with the amount of such tuition and qualified fees thereafter determined by the TRS Board of Control based upon the investment performance of the PACT Trust Fund;
(6) provides that the Legislative Council and the Legislature can recommend or enforce penalties, including appropriation reductions and punitive payments, upon any eligible institution found by the Alabama Commission on Higher Education (ACHE) or the Examiners of Public Accounts to either be non-compliant with the tuition-related provisions of this bill or have engaged in discriminatory practices against a current or potential PACT beneficiary;
(7) provides that, upon dissolution, all PACT-related fund balances would be transferred (after all costs and liabilities are repaid) to the Education Trust Fund rather than to ACHE;
(8) provides that the Alabama College Education Savings (ACES) Program shall continue to operate under the oversight of the State Treasurer and the current ACES Board;
(9) provides that, upon dissolution, all ACES-related fund balances would be deposited into the ACES Opportunity Enhancement Fund rather than administered in accordance with the Alabama Uniform Disposition of Unclaimed Property Act; and
(10) appropriates to the State Treasurer, in both FY 2009 and FY 2010, any amounts necessary and available in both the ACES Administrative Fund and the ACES Opportunity Enhancement Fund.
As substituted and as amended by the Committee on Finance and Taxation General Fund:
(1) eliminates the requirement that the PACT Program repay from its excess reserves any funds provided to the program upon the recommendation of the Governor and appropriation by the Legislature;
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(2) removes as one of the enumerated powers of the TRS Board of Control the ability to define the terms and conditions of PACT contracts;
(3) provides that ACHE shall issue tuition-related compliance reports annually rather than quarterly; and
(4) provides that no PACT contract in force as of the effective date of the act shall be altered or changed in any way, and all benefits, promises, and/or guarantees included in such contracts shall be paid, provided,
and/or honored in full.
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Roger Bedford, Chairperson
Finance and Taxation General Fund
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SB581 sounds good to me, but I am unsure of the wording. In one place it says the bill can "adjust the terms of the existing PACT contracts in order to preserve the actuarian soundness of the PACT" and then it says "provides that no PACT contract in force as of the effective date of the act shall be altered or changed in any way, and all benefits, promises, and/or guarantees included in such contracts shall be paid, provided, and/or honored in full".  I think it may mean that everything can be changed in the contract, but the they will honor the contract.

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Sheila-when do you anticipate a vote on SB581?

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I am really getting impatient with Montgomery.  I sent  the following letter to the editor of the Huntsville Times yesterday with copies to the governor, treasurer, reps, and people on our email list:

Isn't it amazing how PACT has dropped off the radar?   Suddenly, there is silence in Montgomery.  We thought we had a bill in the senate which might actually accomplish saving our PACT state contracts .  There were a couple of problems with it, which were addressed by a couple of amendments.  All seemed to be hunkydory.  We PACT members were waiting with baited breath to hear that this legislation would actually be passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by the Governor.  Oh, but then, the University of Alabama and Auburn University decided to fight the bill because it would require them to freeze tuition, for PACT members only, for three years.  And, oh yes, the all-powerful Paul Hubbert of the Alabama Education Association (AEA) is guarding his pot of money.  I guess he wouldn't want to actually educate someone with it.

What the "heck" is going on?  Are you people in Montgomery - Riley, Ivey, Folsom, Byrne, the state representatives and the state senators,  all going to let us down?  Don't you realize that the reputation of the State of Alabama is at stake?  Does the State of Alabama want the rest of the world to know that it does not honor its commitments?  I would like some answers.  What do we have to do, march on the capitol?  Do they not realize that the lawyers are on the prowl?  Have they forgotten that 49,000 PACT owners can VOTE?  It's estimated that the PACT owners can influence up to 500,000 votes. 
If this legislation is allowed to die, you can bet there will be a huge voter turn-out.   

Donna H Peacher
dhpeacher@mchsi.com

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This is what I wrote to my State Legislator:

Please help protect the future of Alabama by endorsing any policies that will ensure the payment of PACT college tuition fees.  I purchased a PACT contract several years ago in good faith to allow my son to obtain a college education.  I can think of no greater cause that would benefit the State more than to allow participating students the full benefit of the PACT.  PACT students not only have the opportunity to be future leaders, but taxpayers and voters as well. What faith will investors have in any Alabama state sponsored program if the PACT fails?  Imagine the damage to Alabama’s reputation in the eyes of the Nation if we do not even support our own education programs.  Alabama can not afford to fail.  Not to mention that litigation will likely drain any remaining financial resources of the PACT.   I understand the impact of current economic conditions, however I did not borrow money recklessly, carelessly accumulate credit card debt, or purchase a luxury item I can not afford, but invested hard earned money in Alabama.  Your concern for this matter is desperately needed.

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Here is the response today  from the State Treasurer's office to my "rant" of yesterday:

Thank you for contacting the Office of Treasurer Ivey and sharing your concerns.  We are still hopeful that legislation will pass before the session ends.  Both House and Senate convene at 10 today.  You might check our website at www.800alapact.com for updates.

Mary Frank Crew
Executive Assistant
Office of Treasurer Kay Ivey


Kinda lukewarm isn't it?  But, of course I'll check their website and keep my hopes up.

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The following note from my representative, Randy Hinshaw, in response to my "rant" came today:

"You are not forgotten and we are still working towards protecting PACT participants."

rh

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I sent the follwoing message to JSU after reading thier opostion to SH581.  Comments anyone.  I will forward it AU and UA.  Any one feel free to cut and paste comment:

I was astonished to read that the University was opposed to supporting the SB 581 to allow the PACT to survive.  I can not believe a public University would be opposed to any education program that allows more students to attend college.  Opposing SB 581 and shunning PACT holders would hurt the University.  Realize the proposed tuition freeze would only affect PACT students for three years.  Not all of your students, just a small percentage that have PACTs for a small amount of time.  You certainly do not have to worry about PACT students defaulting on student loans.  The University may even be glad that tuition is frozen for PACT students in the event that the recession persists and fewer students attend.  If the PACT fails, what good would it be to the University?  Because of the recession, less people will be able to attend college.  The PACT is the only financial vehicle that many students have to attend College.  Voting against PACT survival decreases future revenue streams for the University.  I realize that tuition will be at a slightly reduced rate for a small percentage of students for 3 years, but it is better than no tuition revenue at all! In fact, propose to your legislator to amend the bill stating tuition rate can not be frozen and let the PACT holders pay the difference between the 2009 tuition rates and future rates until 2012, but don’t support completely wiping the program out over a small amount of money.   I purchased a PACT contract several years ago in good faith to allow my son to obtain a college education.  I can think of no greater cause that would benefit the University more than to allow participating students the full benefit of the PACT.  PACT students not only have the opportunity to be future leaders, but taxpayers and voters as well. They increase revenues more at the University, because they have more to spend!  What faith will the citizens of the Alabama have in your University if you do not want Alabama students to attend college.  Please for your sake and many future students support bill SB581!!!  Imagine the damage to the University reputation if they do not even support our own education programs and turn away future students that have pre-paid their tuition.  I can see if the University would oppose loans that would create the potential for unpaid debt, but not pre-paid tuition!!!   Litigation will likely drain any remaining financial resources of the PACT and ultimately reduce University tuition revenues.   I understand the impact of current economic conditions, however I did not borrow money recklessly, carelessly accumulate credit card debt, or purchase a luxury item I can not afford, but invested hard earned money in a promised college education.  Your concern for this matter is desperately needed.  Think what is best for the University and students!!

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Dave said, "Sheila-when do you anticipate a vote on SB581?"

I don't think there's really any way to tell.  They will get to it if and when they get to it.  The next day for Senate is Tuesday, 4/28, I think.  And, we don't need to forget that it requires two legislative bodies for passage.  Sorry, it took so long to answer.  I had to make a personal trip to Montgomery today. 

Here's a pretty good blog to follow the "goings on" in Montgomery:
http://alabama2009legislativesession.blogspot.com/

Stupid idea?  If the State agrees to fund the PACT 100% under SB581, does it really matter to us if they have a tuition freeze for PACT participants? Is Bronner the only one who has proposed this?  I know, actuarially, it would be easier to project with at least a few definites, but...  If they are funding ours at 100%, does removal of the freeze on PACT tuition affect us? 

Also, just doing a little figuring:
1.  Approximately 15% of UA's funding is from the State http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/m … amp;coll=2
"State appropriations - this year, close to $498 million - make up about 15 percent of the budget for the system's three campuses in Tuscaloosa, Birmingham and Huntsville. The full system budget was $4.3 billion this year, including the UAB Health System, according to system spokeswoman Kellee Reinhart."

2.  Approximately 10% of the students at Alabama and Auburn are on the PACT,
http://www.ache.state.al.us/Notes&N … olders.pdf
"About 63 percent of all PACT recipients attend Auburn or the University of Alabama's main campus in Tuscaloosa, according to the fund, making up 10 percent of each school's student body. Fitch said talks have focused on those schools."

3.  Only 912 of the early contract beneficiaries are currently attending college.  How many later contract beneficiaries are currently attending?
http://m.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/ … ate=wapart
"Of the 6,292 who signed the "guaranteed payment" contract, 912 are currently in college, and 5,380 are not yet in college."

Interesting concept, huh?

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4/23/09 - No cigar.  Not handled today.

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This is not very encouraging.  From the Treasurer's PACT website:


UPDATE – April 24, 2009
• There has been no movement on any legislation regarding PACT this week.  SB581 has made the most progress and is available for final passage by the Senate. It would then travel to the House. The session ends May 18, 2009.
• The last of the Spring school invoices are being paid.
• Normal filings are being made on the two lawsuits. There is no news to report on these.

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Mary, apparently this tendency to filibuster has been an on-going issue with Sen. Poole. He tied up most of the legislative process with these same actions during last year's legislative session. Even his own party has grown frustrated with him and Sen. Larry Means confronted Poole about his actions. I wrote to Sen. Means and commended him for standing up to Sen. Poole during this important time for many bills to be reviewed and passed by the state senate including a bill for the PACT. I also wrote Sen. Poole and asked him to stop disrupting the legislative process. Is there any way for the constituants of Sen. Poole's district to have a concerted voice to make an attempt to have him put a stop to this waste of time? Is there some known group of supporters of Sen. Poole that you can appeal to? By the way, I received no reponse to my e-mail to Sen. Poole either.