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(53 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

I was pleased to see the recognition our group is getting after Wednesday's meeting in Montgomery!! Thanks to our leaders  we are getting the word out.

However, after hearing and reading the news reports I think we all need to make a concerted effort use the word "Contract Holders" anytime we're asked about Pact. As grateful as I am for the covereage we have received, it does not help our cause when the reports repeatedly refer to the loss of OUR "investments."  We DID NOT invest... we bought a contract.  This is something we need to politely and pointedly bring home in any letters to the editor, legislature, etc.!

Guranteed or not they are still contracts!!!!

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(19 replies, posted in RSA STUDY of PACT)

Sheila, The "gentleman" who proposed doling out tuition based on the median  was Tom Broughton, a banker from B'ham.
From my side of the room, he didn't look too happy when told he was too late to bring that up this year. However, I think we can expect that to come up again if the Legislature doesn't handle this problem.

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(15 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

Is only one page to  Bob Lowery's article or is there more? When I click on page 2 or Next I get nothing but a blank page. 

If someone has the full story,  can they please paste it into the site
Thanks

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(53 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

off al.com

PACT assures Alabama parents of tuition money for fall, spring
Posted by Bob Lowry May 20, 2009 3:06 PM

MONTGOMERY, AL - The PACT Board voted today to follow the language of a legislative resolution, which state Treasurer Kay Ivey predicted would lead to secure stable funding for the prepaid college program.

The program's actuary told the board the fund has enough money to pay tuition this fall and next spring. The PACT Board voted unanimously to assure parents that it will keep paying tuition this fall and next spring.


 
The Legislature adopted a resolution on its final day Friday, asking The Retirement Systems of Alabama to conduct an actuarial study of the fund.

The report to Gov. Bob Riley and the Legislature is expected within 30 to 45 days.

Ivey said the PACT Board would encourage legislators to draft legislation with effective funding solutions to fund all PACT students in time for it to be pre-filed before the 2010 legislative regular session begins in January.

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(15 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

Great Publicity!!
Montgomery's NBC station, Channel 12, gave us great props last night. Following an interview with Dr. Huckaby, on the 10 o'clock news, they posted  our meeting at the church to let people know so they could attend before the Borad's meeting.

Now if we can just get the local print reporters interested again!  Maybe now that the legislative session is over they will time to explore this issue in greater detail.

What weight does a resolution carry?

What is the next step for a resolution. ...Does it have to go to the house?
Does this mean they've dropped the idea of working out the House bill?

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(13 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

Can  we not try to get them to pass something that does NOT require a constitutional amendment!
The voters will kill it and then the legislature will say "we tired"

It would be nice if Kay spelled out what their choices are!

Is anybody in the group able to be at the Legislature lobbying for the cause?

What letter are you referring

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(53 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

Either Kay and the Pact board are trying to goad the legislature into action or they are about to pull the biggest con in Alabama state history!!!!! They want us to walk away from a committment the STATE signed. I Don't Think So.
They tried to pawn it off on the legislature and now looks like they want to dig their political graves.
We made ourselves perfectly clear at the 1st and 2nd meeting --- DONOT DISOLVE thePACT program --- NO Child left behind!

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(53 replies, posted in General Comments Regarding PACT)

I say we bring the children to the meeting! Let them see the people they are REALLY letting down!!!!

I'm afraid my comments about Holmes bill  were misunderstood. ... I guess I didn't state clearly enough that what might be good for some of us is NOT good for all. ..and that is NOT acceptable!

we ARE all of the same mind... and stand together!

cut and paste the following link to view the proposed bill that Alvin Holms got passed in the House today while the Senate was droning on!
now it will go to the senate!

http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us … mber=hb747
then click on view to read the bill. I couldn't get the amendments to open.

While this may sound good for my child it is NOT good for many pact holders!!! The following is from the bill...
"The amounts appropriated to the Program pursuant to
this amendment shall only be used to fund PACT contracts
entered into on or before December 31, 1995."

Now here is the brief Fiscal Notes for HB747 (that follows the moneyh)

FISCAL NOTE

House Bill 747 as amended proposes an amendment to the Constitution of Alabama of 1901 that, if ratified, would transfer the following amounts from the Alabama Trust Fund to the Alabama Prepaid Affordable College Tuition (PACT) Program and the County and Municipal Government Capital Improvement Trust Fund (CMGCITF) in the following fiscal years: FY From ATF to PACT From ATF to CMGCITF Total Transfer from ATF 
2011 $50,000,000 $12,500,000 $62,500,000
2012 $25,000,000 $6,250,000 $31,250,000
2013 $25,000,000 $6,250,000 $31,250,000
2014 $25,000,000 $6,250,000 $31,250,000
2015 $25,000,000 $31,250,000 $6,250,000
Total $150,000,000 $37,500,000 $187,500,000
Such transfers will reduce the investment income earned on the ATF and will reduce the distribution of that income to the State General Fund (SGF), the Forever Wild Trust Fund (FWTF), the County Capital Improvement Fund (CCIF), the Municipal Capital Improvement Fund (MCIF), and the Senior Services Trust Fund (SSTF). However, the appropriations from the ATF to the CMGCITF will offset the decrease in ATF interest income that would otherwise be distributed to the CCIF and the MCIF. Thus, assuming a 5% annual rate of return, this bill will reduce total interest revenue receipts to the following funds by the following estimated amounts for the following fiscal years:FY SGF FWTF SSTF
2012 $2,700,000 $ - $ -
2013 $4,000,000 $70,000 $40,000
2014 $5,300,000 $100,000 $70,000
2015 $6,500,000 $130,000 $105,000
2016 and Subsequent FYs $7,775,000 $165,000 $145,000 


This bill requires the PACT Program to repay to the ATF the amounts appropriated to the Program from the ATF within five years following the fiscal year in which each appropriation is made to the Program. Thus, by FY 2020, the PACT Program will have to repay to the ATF its $150,000,000 appropriation. Earnings from the investment of amounts repaid by PACT to the ATF shall be deposited in the SGF, which will at least partially offset the above reduction in interest revenue receipts to the SGF.

This bill will also increase the proclamation expenses of the Governor, paid from the State General Fund, by an estimated $40,000 for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  John F. Knight, Chair
Government Appropriations

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

Feeling very discouraged... sent the following to Folsom's man, Chip Hill after reading his response to Dr. Huckaby...

While I appreciate your comments, I wanted to share my concerns that they raise. I hope you will in turn share them with Mr. Folsom.

While you may consider the PACT problem a short term crisis, those of us who have children currently attending college are not in a position to share that view. It will be a major crisis for families depending on PACT to pay tuition in the upcoming shool year.

Yes, I understand that members of the Legislature believe the PACT program has the money to cover current expenses. However, I am worried that if action is not taken, the lawsuits will come and the funds will, in fact, NOT be available when my feshman at UA needs them. We are among those who actually hold a contract, purchased in 1991, that does say GUARANTEED. How can the legislature guarantee that these funds won’t be locked down by the courts leaving thousands of families floundering in the very  financial mess that we tried our best to avoid by purchasing a PACT contract. 

While I appreciate the Lt. Governor’s commitment to meeting the obligation of a program that he helped develop and promote, I would like to understand how, as you wrote, “we remain in a position to adequately remedy any short-term crisis…”   Please explain how a “strongly worded resolution” accomplishes this?

You say “the law restricts the financial commitments that a legislature can impose on future legislatures.”  In theory that is true, but the Legislature consistently funds programs that effect small groups and are funded year after year. Unlike these program, to fund PACT is to fund education of the next generation— this will only reap rewards for this state for years to come.

Parents are beginning to fear that the rhetoric of February and March by PACT leaders and other politicians was just for show. We are not stupid; we understand that the comments about our “whining over making a bad investment” come from failure to understand the difference between an investment and a contract. However, we PACT holders also know that we signed a contract that our STATE put its stamp on and has continued to promote.

At times like this, a Friday posting on the official PACT website leaves a lot to be desired. We are dependent on the Lt. Governor and others to keep us informed. Please keep us posted

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

Mary, I remember the guy, too.
I think he said he was an assistant to Wallace at the PSC.  I remember asking him why Wallace wasn't there at the church meeting.... sound like he knows back-room politics!

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

Commenting on Mary's email of UA's Mr. Smith sent last night..... if they are proposing that we pay the difference  between the average tuition and the actual... the only ones who  lose are the UA, AU and Montevallo kids since other schools have already agreed to compromise with a freeze.
There is no compromise from these schools with the largest  PACT enrollment (and don't they benefit the most from the legislative budget?)

Does anyone know the number of PACT enrolles at those schools? I asked Ivey but have received NO response from her office.  At UA, the tuition totaled 6400 for 08-09; if they increase tuition by 10% that's only 640 per student... is that really someting they can't afford  to lose for 3 years?

I could go along with Mary's idea of paying the edifference IF we get a tax credit... however, I understand that the state is already having a hard time sending  refunds this year.

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

Got not response from Dixon but the following from Rep. Jay Love... Hope he stays the course when (if) it gets to his House!

I am hoping those bills will pass and I am committed to the state honoring it's responsibility.

Jay

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

This is what I sent to my senator -- and representative....  fee free to borrow any part!

As a senator from Montgomery you probably have one of the largest constituent groups depending on you to stand up for their children who are attending college on the PACT program. 

Unless you are a PACT parent, I don't think you can truly understand the anguish we are going through  worrying what will happen if the PACT program is not funded and promises are not kept. We will be scrambling to get loans at a time when credit is not easy to come by. Some of our children will not be able to attend--or return to--school in the fall.

In 1991 we paid for a PACT contract that "guaranteed" four years of college education. When we signed the PACT contract, we didn’t think of our state officials as snake oil salesmen. We trusted that a state-sponsored program was a safer choice than investing in the stock market. After all, the state encouraged us to make this decision.

Our daughter is now a freshman year at the University of Alabama. She and other students like her are the bright lights of Alabama's future. What a horrible example it would be for them if their state leaders turned their backs on their youngest constituents.

Please help the state keep its promise! When SB 581 comes up for a vote, we hope that you will be a leader for our children.

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

I think we really MUST call our legislators! Especially after seeing the following post yesterday that said Greg Wren didn't think anything would take place this sesssion!!!!
"At this point I do not believe there will be any legislation directed at the governance or legislative funding of the PACT program.
Independent analyses are being conducted to determine the financial status of the PACT program and in order to make better decisions going forward. As you are aware, no new participants will be added into the Alabama PACT program.
I am monitoring this matter and will continue to keep a keen eye towards any actions being taken. Thanks for taking the time to keep in touch. If I may be of further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me. "

I called Holley's office this morning to ask about that and was told they knew nothing about it.

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

SB581...

I think the references to ACES muddy the waters a bit. Unless this is their way of separating the PACT from the 529???? Does someone know?

Wasn't the original name of the Pact legislation the Wallace-Folsom College Savings Investment Plan?

I haven't finished reading Sub 1 to see where the differences lie, but
I see that the second amendment (thank goodness)  clarifies the  language in Sub 1 ...
"Section 6. No PACT contract in force as of the effective date of this act shall be altered or changed in any manner and all benefits, promises, and/or guarantees included in such contract shall be paid, provided, and/or honored in  full."
Not sure about the 1st change .

Sure wish we had an "insider" to help us understand the jargon!

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

PACT
C/O State Treasurers Office

Alabama State Capitol
600 Dexter Avenue, Room S-106
Montgomery, Alabama 36104

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(107 replies, posted in Needed or Current Legislation)

Montgomery Advertiser article on Bedford-holly bill....
don't know if they picked up on all the nuances

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/s … amp;coll=2

I have asked the station. I've been to the website and don't see it there.
I will try to tape it tonight and see if I can figure out how to share it with all.

From Montgomery Advertiser 4-9-09

2 Alabama lawmakers make proposal to save prepaid tuition program

Two Republican legislators are working on a plan to shore up Alabama's financially troubled prepaid college tuition program without using state tax dollars.

Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale and Rep. Robert Bentley of Tuscaloosa said their plan would move the tuition program's assets from the stock market to an annuity.

They also propose doing away with a state law that allows out-of-state students living within 50 miles of an Alabama college to pay in-state tuition. They say that would generate $25 million annually in higher tuition payments that would go toward the tuition program.

They also propose requiring out-of-state students to pay the full cost of their education at a state university. That extra money would also go toward the tuition plan.
-- The Associated Press

For those of you who get TrojanVision (Troy University's television station), you might want to watch former Legislator Steve Flowers' interview with Kay Ivey. It ran the other day and I found out it wll run again this Thursday and Friday at 8:30 and 9:30 p.m. (People in montgomery who have Knology will find it on 43)
Much of it is spoon feeding one democrat to another, but they do talk about the PACT program. She talks briefly about what the committee is working on and says PACT will not go away! I think it is the strongest language I've heard from her.
However, she won't get into some details because of the 2 lawsuits that have been filed.