Topic: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

Get behind an Alabama Lottery Initative. Millions of AL $ go to GA, FL, TN and MS ( gambling). Why waste these $ when an Alabama Lottery would not only shore up the PACT but eventually help any capable Alabama student go to college. We ( Alabama) are stuck in a morality play circa 1950 and cannot see the light.

As a Pact owner who has just one more year to get through, I believe Alabama must stand up for those of you who may never see a cent of Tuition or your original investment.

A lottery for Alabama now!

Re: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

This is an alternative funding source that should be seriously considered.  Otherwise, where in the world is the money going to come from?  It's not going to "magically" appear during the next session of congress.  What will be different from the last session?  We were told we should be coming up with some innovative ways to fund PACT.  I've racked my brain.  Has anyone been able to come up with anything?

Last edited by dhpeacher (06-27-2009 6:22:12 pm)

Re: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

Don't associate the PACT with a lottery initiative.   This is an unnecessary association that will turn many people against saving  PACT.

The state allowed their institutions to raise tuition each year at rates far exceeding any inflationary pressures and indeed continue to allow tuition increases outpacing inflation.  It is within the power of the state government to force the state-funded institutions to accept PACT students; the state simply refuses to accept responsibility at this time.

Last edited by Groove (06-28-2009 10:07:22 am)

Re: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

I have no problem with a lottery.....but I do agree associating the PACT with it would be a bad choice

Re: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

We need an alternative funding source - be it lottery or whatever else.  Let's face it, anything that has an added tax that needs a vote, willl probably fail, as people don't want the cost of anything to go up.  A lot of people might vote for a lottery because it doesn't cost them anything...  Don't get me wrong, If anyone can come up with another solution - fine.

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I find it hard to believe the only alternatives for PACT solvency are either increased taxes or a lottery...how about imposing an across-the-board program spending cut to "pay for" annual PACT offsets?  Or do we really believe that everything in the Alabama annual budget is "essential" ???

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In my opinion, we do not, as a group, need to take a position on the source of state funding to make the PACT program solvent.  The source of funding, as reflected in the previous comments, can be very divisive.  I think our focus should be on holding the State to honoring the contracts - expect and demand that the legislature and other political leaders figure out the source of the funds.

Last edited by kittycollier (06-29-2009 10:08:12 pm)

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I agree we shouldn't advocate a particular method of solving the state's problem, but we can certainly debate the range of possibilities.  Raising taxes or instituting a lottery are political lightning rods - raising taxes will be seen as putting "our" burden on everyone else's back.  And Alabamians have defeated every previous attempt at a lottery - why would this time be different?   

We need to quantify what the worst-case annual obligation might be to keep PACT solvent - how much are we actually talking about here?  Is it on the order of $10M a year?  The RSA study should help us to understand the magnitude of the problem.  I'm betting the state could do relatively minor belt-tightening and "find" the funding to keep PACT solvent, without a lottery or increasing taxes. 

In a state with a $2 billion annual general budget and a $6 billion ETF, I think a few million can be found to honor the state's contract with parents and grandparents who pre-paid their kids' college tuition.

Last edited by Jeff and Alice (06-30-2009 7:03:07 am)

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I think that every state school should have to accept each PACT student.  They can afford to enlarge stadiums and pay coaches huge salaries, then the student's tuition should just be something they have to live with.  If a student chooses Jeff State or Alabama, it shouldn't matter.  These state schools should have to honor the contracts for each and every kid enrolled in this program.  That is just my opinion.  Every parent or grandparent paid for their children to be able to attend a state school with all tuition paid.  Therefore, the state schools should be obligated to honor PACT students with the full ride that was intended for the PACT.

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Remember kids, this is just a discussion/debate....I am for the PACTS to be honored by whatever method it takes.  I just want my five grandkids to get what we promised them and what the state promised us.  I can only say that Mark Reynolds, assistant to David Bronner of RSA said to us directly in Montgomery:   you folks need to be thinking of some kind of innovative way to fund PACT, as there is NO money available.  I thought at the time that this was unreasonable and that we should not have to do the legislatures' work for them.  If the past legislative session is any example, all the suggestions would call for a constitutional amendment, which the public probably would vote down as it would be helping "bail us PACT people out".  If we tried something new like a 1 cent tax on soft drinks, the corporate lobby would defeat it and the people wouldn't like to pay more for their soda pop anyway.   Maybe there's a magic answer out there, but why didn't the legislature come up with it last time?  Because Paul Hubbert is not about to turn loose of one dime of his giant pot of money and the power that goes with it.   I don't see that anything has changed with the RSA audit except to apparently say we are in worse shape than we thought.  Wonder how much of our money went to pay for that audit?   And, so it goes.  If something else can be worked out, I'm all for it.  As for the lottery, let's not bury the idea, let's just put it back and save it as a last resort.  Ask yourself, if the only way to get my child into college is via a lottery, would I keep him/her home?  Everyone's (I hope) goal is to see their kids get their college degrees.

Remember!  We have one great power - the POWER TO VOTE!  We have to organize and threaten to vote them out of office if they don't come up with a solution.  Each county needs a PACT leader to be able to network across the state and become one big voting bloc.
We need members.  It's the only true power we have.  In Madison County we are having our first meeting on July 11 at 2:00 pm at the Huntsville Public Library Auditorium.  Drop-ins are welcome.

Last edited by dhpeacher (06-30-2009 9:32:58 pm)

Re: Want to save PACT with no new taxes?

The simple truth is that this IS an obligation of the state.  How (and when) the state chooses to fund it is another issue.  The money is there, somewhere.

Everyone seems to hang the moon on the RSA's "evaluation".  Guess what?  Their funds lost more than the PACT program and Bonner's leadership has not been flawless.  The difference is the funds are guaranteed by the state.

As for Marc Reynolds, I think his comments are at best..... hurting the program.  He needs to engage his brain before he speaks. With the snippets already being released by the RSA to date, does anyone think the evaluation is really going to be helpful to the PACT program?

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I agree that this is an obligation of the state. It's so incredible that Marc Reynolds told Ms. Peacher and others that "YOU need to think of some kind" of funding for this. What we do need to be aware of, however, is that we don't want some legislator or politician to go off half-cocked and try to do something that would doom the program. I've read here how a lottery and tax increases are very divisive issues so we may or may not want to see them linked to PACT. So while it is not our job to find money, we really need to be vigilant that someone doesn't try to pull something we believe will fail and ruin the the program. We need to be prepared to protect PACT if we think something is being considered that is not in it's best interest.

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"Remember!  We have one great power - the POWER TO VOTE!"

Most Alabamians don't hold PACT contracts, but those of us who do also have the power to sue the state.  This we will do, if the politicians don't fix PACT.  In fact, there are a number of suits already filed, which has gotten us the attention we have.

The courts - not the ballot box - will force the state to honor its obligation.  Ultimately the politicians will find the least painful method of accomplishing this - but they may not do it until a court orders them.